BACFest 2014 - Planning
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jhbecker
Around The Moon
The Museum of Flight is located on West Marginal Way at Boeing Field in Seattle. Boeing is a sponsor but otherwise is not afilliated with the museum.
The Boeing factory in Everett (25 miles north of Seattle) has a a display and daily factory tours. None of the other Boeing facilities are open to the public.
Another suggestion for a quick side trip from Portland is Mt St. Helens Volcano visitors' center. It's less then 40 miles and really impressive.
Jon,
Robin & I plan to be there, but I can't commit to how many days we can stay yet. Her work schedule is still the nail that keeps us stuck in place.
The Boeing factory in Everett (25 miles north of Seattle) has a a display and daily factory tours. None of the other Boeing facilities are open to the public.
Another suggestion for a quick side trip from Portland is Mt St. Helens Volcano visitors' center. It's less then 40 miles and really impressive.
Jon,
Robin & I plan to be there, but I can't commit to how many days we can stay yet. Her work schedule is still the nail that keeps us stuck in place.
danielkirby
Flight Levels
Ann and I and my son Joe and his wife Chris are planning to be there, without the Sierra. Been a good while since I've been to the beatiful northwest
hifiguy
Climbing to Cruise
I am looking forward to this! Thom Smith, still brewing beer? I just started a batch of Zin. I will bring a few bottles! (Though a bit young!) Any Californians want to coordinate a group flight north? Also, I saw something about Mtn. Biking????
This is going to be fun!
Rich
This is going to be fun!
Rich
rgschmi
Around The Moon
Count me in! I haven't missed one yet.
Sounds like the planning is going well.
I haven't decided how I'm getting there yet. Commercial air is the cheapest, most reliable and most boring. Driving would make a great vacation trip, but flying the Sundowner would be the most exciting. I've been looking at routes and it looks like generally following Interstate 90 would be a possible route. Some of you mountain flyers chime in!!!
Sounds like the planning is going well.
I haven't decided how I'm getting there yet. Commercial air is the cheapest, most reliable and most boring. Driving would make a great vacation trip, but flying the Sundowner would be the most exciting. I've been looking at routes and it looks like generally following Interstate 90 would be a possible route. Some of you mountain flyers chime in!!!
paxflyer
Flight Levels
Start west-bound out of Billings by 7AM, smooth. Wait until afternoon you might get Mtn wave which can be exciting. It'll be fire season by then so be sure you have a good TFR plan. Northern ID and the Cascades are very rough, I-90 is a good plan although I now fly direct anywhere out here.
I usually avoid 6000' elev airports in the afternoon due to DA climb concerns. I like to cruise 11,500 east bound and 10,500 west bound, I feel this gives me more options in a single.
ATC services are usually available above 10K. ADS-B is not yet available from Billings until near Spokane. After Spokane you good.
I also fly with a good survival pack, 406 ELT and PLB.
Hope this helps.
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I usually avoid 6000' elev airports in the afternoon due to DA climb concerns. I like to cruise 11,500 east bound and 10,500 west bound, I feel this gives me more options in a single.
ATC services are usually available above 10K. ADS-B is not yet available from Billings until near Spokane. After Spokane you good.
I also fly with a good survival pack, 406 ELT and PLB.
Hope this helps.
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jhbecker
Around The Moon
Flying across following I-80 until you get to the Salt Lake Basin then northwest along I-84 to Portland is a good route too. But as noted above, it'll be close to peak fire season and the TFR's for fire fighting can pop up anywhere, at any time. Be sure to check the TFR's before each flight and at each fuel stop. And the advise about flying early in the day is true too for the mountains. Particularly on hot sunny days.
jkrane
Level Cruise
Just a quick update and a picture. Found out that the museum at Pearson is no longer open, the upside is I found out that we may have a chance to see it anyway. Also, finding out about tower tours at PDX. This event will be awesome, please let me know if you are coming.
Here's a picture taken Sunday after a flight to Tillamook on the Oregon Coast:
Best Regards,
Jon
Here's a picture taken Sunday after a flight to Tillamook on the Oregon Coast:
Best Regards,
Jon
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niechiro
Around The Moon
Here's some concerning news about Evergreen Aviation Museum near portland reported today: [h=1]P-38 Lightning At Evergreen Museum Up For Sale[/h][h=2]One Of Only Seven Airworthy Examples Of The Airplane Known To Exist[/h]Under a cloud of bankruptcy, airplanes at the Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum in McMinnville, OR are being sold one-by-one. So far, a Ford Trimotor that flew the first transcontinental passenger route between New York and San Diego has been sold, and now, a 1945 P-38L Lightning airplane has been placed on the block with a price tag of $6.75 million.
Oregonlive.com reports that the Trimotor went to an undisclosed buyer two weeks ago. The asking price was $1.75 million, but the actual sales price was not revealed. Nor was the creditor who will receive the money.
The P-38 is being listed by Platinum Fighter Sales of Redondo Beach, CA. Broker Simon Brown said it is a "shame" that the airplanes have to be sold, and that the company has already had several inquiries about the aircraft. Brown said the Lightning is one of only seven in airworthy condition known to exist, and "it'll go sooner rather than later."
One of the museum's signature pieces, the famed Spruce Goose, will likely not be sold, according to Robert Lyon, an attorney representing the Aero Club of Southern California which holds title to the massive flying boat. He said the Aero Club is still owed more than $50,000, but at this time could not afford to repossess the aircraft. Its eventual fate is still being negotiated.
(P-38 pictured in file photo. Not aircraft for sale)
The P-38 is being listed by Platinum Fighter Sales of Redondo Beach, CA. Broker Simon Brown said it is a "shame" that the airplanes have to be sold, and that the company has already had several inquiries about the aircraft. Brown said the Lightning is one of only seven in airworthy condition known to exist, and "it'll go sooner rather than later."
One of the museum's signature pieces, the famed Spruce Goose, will likely not be sold, according to Robert Lyon, an attorney representing the Aero Club of Southern California which holds title to the massive flying boat. He said the Aero Club is still owed more than $50,000, but at this time could not afford to repossess the aircraft. Its eventual fate is still being negotiated.
(P-38 pictured in file photo. Not aircraft for sale)
corcoran
Orbiting Earth
On September 21st, the goodbye day for BACFest 2014, Margie and I will be going to Seattle to start a one week cruise to Alaska.
If anyone would care to join us (booking on your own) get info on Norwegian Cruise Lines Glacier Bay Tour.
Note: it begins in Seattle but ends in Vancouver BC.
Tom Corcoran
Boston
If anyone would care to join us (booking on your own) get info on Norwegian Cruise Lines Glacier Bay Tour.
Note: it begins in Seattle but ends in Vancouver BC.
Tom Corcoran
Boston
jkrane
Level Cruise
Mike,
Thanks for the update on Evergreen's situation, I do not think they will be going "out-of-business" soon, it is unfortunate however that they have to sell their P-38 and Ford Trimotor. As for repossessing the Spruce Goose, that would be an interesting effort considering the building was designed around the proportions of the enormous plane, I do hope they settle-up soon on that though. There are plenty of notable aircraft at the museum: Beech Starship, SR-71, B-17, Me-109, Me-262, Spitfire, Beech 35, many more:
http://evergreenmuseum.org/the-museum/aircraft-exhibits/
Everytime I visit the museum I learn something new. They have a great display of space capsules and rockets, there is even a mock launch pad, oh and a waterpark for the kids
Edit/Add: Also, a huge firearms collection on display:
http://evergreenmuseum.org/the-museum/aircraft-exhibits/firearms/
Tom,
Sounds like an awesome cruise, the fact the cruise ends in Vancouver, B.C. makes for a very scenic drive back to Seattle, so that is like an add-on.
Some ways to get back:
http://seattletimes.com/html/travel/2008116402_trthreecities17.html
Fellow Members,
I am targeting for a BACFest 2014 update Wednesday this week (3/5). Lot's of exciting things happening, dates will not change of course, so plan on being in Portland, OR September 17-21 2014!
Best Regards,
Jon
Thanks for the update on Evergreen's situation, I do not think they will be going "out-of-business" soon, it is unfortunate however that they have to sell their P-38 and Ford Trimotor. As for repossessing the Spruce Goose, that would be an interesting effort considering the building was designed around the proportions of the enormous plane, I do hope they settle-up soon on that though. There are plenty of notable aircraft at the museum: Beech Starship, SR-71, B-17, Me-109, Me-262, Spitfire, Beech 35, many more:
http://evergreenmuseum.org/the-museum/aircraft-exhibits/
Everytime I visit the museum I learn something new. They have a great display of space capsules and rockets, there is even a mock launch pad, oh and a waterpark for the kids
Edit/Add: Also, a huge firearms collection on display:
http://evergreenmuseum.org/the-museum/aircraft-exhibits/firearms/
Tom,
Sounds like an awesome cruise, the fact the cruise ends in Vancouver, B.C. makes for a very scenic drive back to Seattle, so that is like an add-on.
Some ways to get back:
http://seattletimes.com/html/travel/2008116402_trthreecities17.html
Fellow Members,
I am targeting for a BACFest 2014 update Wednesday this week (3/5). Lot's of exciting things happening, dates will not change of course, so plan on being in Portland, OR September 17-21 2014!
Best Regards,
Jon
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jkrane
Level Cruise
Hope everyone is doing well, managing to break out of this harsh Winter's cold clutch and take to the air! I have been busy putting together some updated plans and an itinerary for our 2014 BACFest. Something important to note, I have moved the fly-in to Pearson Airfield in Washington, right across the river from PDX. This is the oldest operating airport in the United States and it happens to be surrounded by a national historic site, Fort Vancouver and our fly-in will be held right in the midst of it. There will be plenty of things to do while you are here, for pilots, spouses, kids; the whole family, from education, historic sites, airplanes, shopping, dining, wineries, breweries, airplanes, it's gonna be a blast!
Note, the registration fee is not finalized, but it will be inline with past BACFests. This is why it is so important to pre-register VERY SOON and let us know you will be attending. For those planning to fly-in, it just got better, no landing or tie-down fees, enjoy the casual atmosphere of a Pacific Northwest GA airport!
BACFest 2014 – September 17-21, 2014
Car rental (If landing at Pearson)
Enterprise Rent-A-Car is available within close proximity to the field with free pick-up and drop-off. Airport shuttles, limousines and taxi cabs can all be easily arranged as well.
Enterprise Rent-A-Car , 7503 E Mill Plain Blvd. 360-750-1111
Free pick-up/drop-off available! Reservations: 800-736-8222
Airport Information
No landing fees and tie-down fees
Fuel - Suggested nearby locations - Scaposse Airpark (KSPB) if you are heading/arriving from the north, Stark's Twin Oaks Airpark (7S3) if you are heading/arriving from the South.
Pattern Operations
Pearson Field is Class D airspace administered by Portland Tower. Initial contact when entering the Class D area should be made to "Portland Advisory". All subsequent position reports should be made to "Pearson Traffic" on the same frequency. Enter and leave the pattern from the northwest over Vancouver Lake. Departures typically stay to the west side of the lake and arrivals to the east. For noise abatement, climb straight ahead on both runways to 700 MSL; do not overfly Fort Vancouver and make all turns west of Smith Tower. Remain below 1,100 MSL until more than 5 NM from Portland VOR to avoid Class C airspace. For more details on dimensions of the Pearson Class D please visit the City of Vancouver link to the Pearson Airport.
What you need to know: · 2 miles SW of Downtown Vancouver · N45-37.23 W122-39.39 · Magnetic variation 17° E · Runways 8/26, 3275x60 (RP 26) · 1000 FT TPA · Pearson Advisory 119.0 · Pearson Traffic 119.0 · UNICOM 123.0 · ASOS 135.12, Ph: 360.696.1280 · Seattle FSS 122.35
Hotel
The beautiful Downtown Hilton Vancouver - $119 / night – includes breakfast
Local Restaurants
A few within walking distance of the National Site and Pearson Airfield
- Beaches Restaurant
- McMenamins Restaurant
- Joe’s Crab Shack
- Grant House
- Lapellah's
- The Rock Wood Fired Pizza & Spirits Artillery Barracks
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
Arrival/Travel Day - We will be in charge of getting ourselves over to the Hilton hotel in Vancouver.
3pm – Welcome Tour at Pearson Field
Historical Perspective given by Laureano Mier, Director Aviation Education Programs
Meeting location will be the Pearson Field Education Center (PFEC) 6pm- Dinner Guests Choice (Local Restaurants)
Thursday, September 18, 2014
Excursion Day
Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum - $16.00/adult and $14.00/senior
Plans of stopping at local wineries, possibly breweries
Backup plan: WAAAM (Western Antique Aeroplane & Automobile Museum) - $14/adult and $12/seniors (Group Rates Available)
Dinner: Guests Choice (Local Restaurants)
Friday, September 19, 2014
Pearson Field Education Center (PFEC) – Vancouver’s local aviation education center located right on Pearson Field. Flight Simulator lab, vertical wind tunnel, historic airplanes on-site for viewing, and collections on display. Experience the Golden Age of Aviation at the first airport in the Pacific Northwest and one of the oldest continuously operating airfields in the country.
Timeline: Subject to change based on activities/workshops Workshop Topics: Safety, Maintenance, Donut's -- when is it time?, Oil change, other topics to be announced.
Workshops:
1-1.5 hours each Coffee/Beverage Service provided
10:00am – Tentative PDX Tower Tour (pending FAA approval) or Workshop 12:30 pm - Lunches delivered to the PFEC or offsite in Portland, OR 1:30pm - Workshop
3:00pm – Workshop
5:00pm - Marshall House – Reception & Dinner
History of the House and Officers Row
History of Fort Vancouver National Trust
Dinner Buffet, Hosted bar, Appetizer Platter, Salad, Entrées (One or two) and Sides (two). We'll get menu options soon.
Saturday, September 20, 2014
Annual Board of Directors meeting and the Dinner Banquet are the two structured and planned items for the day. Guests during the day may go and see Portland, Vancouver Farmers Market, local attractions and restaurants. There are many things within walking distance or event local bus stops (C- Tran) to take them where they wish to go. The items listed below that are italicized and underlined will be included in the total cost. The other items are suggestions of what there is to do during the day.
Suggested things to do if not attending board meeting:
9:00am-3:00pm – Vancouver Farmers Market (Free)
9:00am-5:00pm Visitor Center (Free) and the Fort ($3.00/person) open to public
1:00pm-5:00pm Pearson Field Education Center open to public (Free)
~11:30am a brunch for the spouses. They then can tour the downtown area for antique shopping, art galleries and many unique places within walking distance, public transportation or by vehicle.
Annual Board of Directors meeting
11:30am-3:00pm Club Meeting (location Red Cross Building) - Lunch Buffet
Dinner Banquet
Tentatively 6:30pm doors open for banquet (Location Hilton) - Tentatively sit-down style dinner with Pacific Northwest style menu
7:15pm program begins
Annual Dinner Banquet w/ Key Note Speaker, also prize drawing and much, much more!
Sunday, September 21, 2014
A reservation for breakfast at a local restaurant can be made. Possible Fly-out to another PNW airport for brunch for those who fly-in.
Departure
So far I have attending:
1. Brad Mitchell * #
2. Jack and Robin Becker * #
3. Charlotte & Rap M. flying -- Commercial style * #
4. Thom S. flying -- BAC style
5. John P. flying -- Commercial style *
6. Ben M (and spouse?) -- BAC Style
7. Fred C (and spouse?) -- Commercial Style
8. Margie and Tom Corcoran -- Commercial Style * #
9. James B, Spouse, 2 9 y/o’s -- Commercial Style ?
10. Bob Prange -- Commercial Style
11 .Shell, Rich K. and Son -- BAC Style
12. Bob Schmidt -- BAC Style ? *
13. Mary and Gary M. -- Spam Can Style
14 .Kathryn, Val, Denis and Jim Weiser -- BAC Style *
15. Fred L. and Guest -- BAC Style
16. Elaine & George from Palestine, TX -- BAC Style
17. Linda and Mike N. -- Not sure style
18. . Jeff Knight. -- Not sure style * #
19. Marty V. -- BAC style *#
20. S#$%scoe -- commercial *# ( I can say who this is but I would have to delete)
21. John Redmon -*
22. Mark Gooderum *
23. Joel and Jon Krane
24. Vivianne and Norris Hibler
25. David Stevens BAC Style -- * contact for ride share
26. Michael Dunlevie *
27. Gene Nora Jessen
28. Chris Nowak *
Note, the registration fee is not finalized, but it will be inline with past BACFests. This is why it is so important to pre-register VERY SOON and let us know you will be attending. For those planning to fly-in, it just got better, no landing or tie-down fees, enjoy the casual atmosphere of a Pacific Northwest GA airport!
BACFest 2014 – September 17-21, 2014
Car rental (If landing at Pearson)
Enterprise Rent-A-Car is available within close proximity to the field with free pick-up and drop-off. Airport shuttles, limousines and taxi cabs can all be easily arranged as well.
Enterprise Rent-A-Car , 7503 E Mill Plain Blvd. 360-750-1111
Free pick-up/drop-off available! Reservations: 800-736-8222
Airport Information
No landing fees and tie-down fees
Fuel - Suggested nearby locations - Scaposse Airpark (KSPB) if you are heading/arriving from the north, Stark's Twin Oaks Airpark (7S3) if you are heading/arriving from the South.
Pattern Operations
Pearson Field is Class D airspace administered by Portland Tower. Initial contact when entering the Class D area should be made to "Portland Advisory". All subsequent position reports should be made to "Pearson Traffic" on the same frequency. Enter and leave the pattern from the northwest over Vancouver Lake. Departures typically stay to the west side of the lake and arrivals to the east. For noise abatement, climb straight ahead on both runways to 700 MSL; do not overfly Fort Vancouver and make all turns west of Smith Tower. Remain below 1,100 MSL until more than 5 NM from Portland VOR to avoid Class C airspace. For more details on dimensions of the Pearson Class D please visit the City of Vancouver link to the Pearson Airport.
What you need to know: · 2 miles SW of Downtown Vancouver · N45-37.23 W122-39.39 · Magnetic variation 17° E · Runways 8/26, 3275x60 (RP 26) · 1000 FT TPA · Pearson Advisory 119.0 · Pearson Traffic 119.0 · UNICOM 123.0 · ASOS 135.12, Ph: 360.696.1280 · Seattle FSS 122.35
Hotel
The beautiful Downtown Hilton Vancouver - $119 / night – includes breakfast
Local Restaurants
A few within walking distance of the National Site and Pearson Airfield
- Beaches Restaurant
- McMenamins Restaurant
- Joe’s Crab Shack
- Grant House
- Lapellah's
- The Rock Wood Fired Pizza & Spirits Artillery Barracks
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
Arrival/Travel Day - We will be in charge of getting ourselves over to the Hilton hotel in Vancouver.
3pm – Welcome Tour at Pearson Field
Historical Perspective given by Laureano Mier, Director Aviation Education Programs
Meeting location will be the Pearson Field Education Center (PFEC) 6pm- Dinner Guests Choice (Local Restaurants)
Thursday, September 18, 2014
Excursion Day
Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum - $16.00/adult and $14.00/senior
Plans of stopping at local wineries, possibly breweries
Backup plan: WAAAM (Western Antique Aeroplane & Automobile Museum) - $14/adult and $12/seniors (Group Rates Available)
Dinner: Guests Choice (Local Restaurants)
Friday, September 19, 2014
Pearson Field Education Center (PFEC) – Vancouver’s local aviation education center located right on Pearson Field. Flight Simulator lab, vertical wind tunnel, historic airplanes on-site for viewing, and collections on display. Experience the Golden Age of Aviation at the first airport in the Pacific Northwest and one of the oldest continuously operating airfields in the country.
Timeline: Subject to change based on activities/workshops Workshop Topics: Safety, Maintenance, Donut's -- when is it time?, Oil change, other topics to be announced.
Workshops:
1-1.5 hours each Coffee/Beverage Service provided
10:00am – Tentative PDX Tower Tour (pending FAA approval) or Workshop 12:30 pm - Lunches delivered to the PFEC or offsite in Portland, OR 1:30pm - Workshop
3:00pm – Workshop
5:00pm - Marshall House – Reception & Dinner
History of the House and Officers Row
History of Fort Vancouver National Trust
Dinner Buffet, Hosted bar, Appetizer Platter, Salad, Entrées (One or two) and Sides (two). We'll get menu options soon.
Saturday, September 20, 2014
Annual Board of Directors meeting and the Dinner Banquet are the two structured and planned items for the day. Guests during the day may go and see Portland, Vancouver Farmers Market, local attractions and restaurants. There are many things within walking distance or event local bus stops (C- Tran) to take them where they wish to go. The items listed below that are italicized and underlined will be included in the total cost. The other items are suggestions of what there is to do during the day.
Suggested things to do if not attending board meeting:
9:00am-3:00pm – Vancouver Farmers Market (Free)
9:00am-5:00pm Visitor Center (Free) and the Fort ($3.00/person) open to public
1:00pm-5:00pm Pearson Field Education Center open to public (Free)
~11:30am a brunch for the spouses. They then can tour the downtown area for antique shopping, art galleries and many unique places within walking distance, public transportation or by vehicle.
Annual Board of Directors meeting
11:30am-3:00pm Club Meeting (location Red Cross Building) - Lunch Buffet
Dinner Banquet
Tentatively 6:30pm doors open for banquet (Location Hilton) - Tentatively sit-down style dinner with Pacific Northwest style menu
7:15pm program begins
Annual Dinner Banquet w/ Key Note Speaker, also prize drawing and much, much more!
Sunday, September 21, 2014
A reservation for breakfast at a local restaurant can be made. Possible Fly-out to another PNW airport for brunch for those who fly-in.
Departure
So far I have attending:
1. Brad Mitchell * #
2. Jack and Robin Becker * #
3. Charlotte & Rap M. flying -- Commercial style * #
4. Thom S. flying -- BAC style
5. John P. flying -- Commercial style *
6. Ben M (and spouse?) -- BAC Style
7. Fred C (and spouse?) -- Commercial Style
8. Margie and Tom Corcoran -- Commercial Style * #
9. James B, Spouse, 2 9 y/o’s -- Commercial Style ?
10. Bob Prange -- Commercial Style
11 .Shell, Rich K. and Son -- BAC Style
12. Bob Schmidt -- BAC Style ? *
13. Mary and Gary M. -- Spam Can Style
14 .Kathryn, Val, Denis and Jim Weiser -- BAC Style *
15. Fred L. and Guest -- BAC Style
16. Elaine & George from Palestine, TX -- BAC Style
17. Linda and Mike N. -- Not sure style
18. . Jeff Knight. -- Not sure style * #
19. Marty V. -- BAC style *#
20. S#$%scoe -- commercial *# ( I can say who this is but I would have to delete)
21. John Redmon -*
22. Mark Gooderum *
23. Joel and Jon Krane
24. Vivianne and Norris Hibler
25. David Stevens BAC Style -- * contact for ride share
26. Michael Dunlevie *
27. Gene Nora Jessen
28. Chris Nowak *
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JOHNNYXRAY
Orbiting Earth
Nice work Jon !!!Portland sounds like a great time . Look forward to making this one.
paxflyer
Flight Levels
Also, the Evergreen Museum offers reciprocal agreements with other museums. We got in free with our Seattle Museum of Flight family membership. There is a incredible indoor waterpark adjacent to the Evergreen Museum. It's a pretty cool to slide out of an actual B747.
http://evergreenmuseum.org/waterpark/
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jkrane
Level Cruise
Thanks James, yes to everything you said, and there is another 747 they added last summer out front for display. There is also a winery onsite, although I have never tried the wine there.
John, this will be another great BACFest, I have a lot of help from the aviation community around Portland and from fellow BAC members. Guarantee this will be tons of fun!
Gary, looking forward to meeting you, not only because your a fellow Beech owner, but because you're from where I was born, Wilmington.