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This was posted in GG (can't link to it)..
I think you could also go with the KLN90B {rather than KLN-89B} with the same upgrade path (pretty much plug & play) to the KLN-94.

Probably best to start another thread on this topic.
> * What's it like to fly real IFR trips with an RNAV? I don't see where
> the KNS-80 holds a database of intersections, etc. It looks like every
> flight will require plugging in intersection fixes, vs just entering the
> intersection identifier.
[Levy] That is correct. A KNS-80 is a VOR/LOC/ILS/DME receiver array with a
VOR/DME RNAV computer built in. This allows you to fly point-to-point IFR
enroute (as long as you stay within the service volume of the VOR/DME or
VORTAC you're using) and RNAV (VOR/DME) approaches as well as any ILS, LOC, or
VOR approach which requires DME (either "/DME" in the title or "DME REQUIRED"
printed in the notes or on the planform view).

> * I could get a KLN89B for about the same price as KNS80, but it would
> require an Annunciator Panel (added $). The Michel MC60 would still work
> with it, and my plane already has a Glide Slope and Nav receivers that could
> also be coupled to the MC60 to give me ILS capability. But, can you really
> utilize the GPS with limited "approved and operational aleternate means of
> navigation"?
[Levy] Yes. The KLN-89B is a fully TSO'd GPS under TSO-c129. You can use it
to shoot nonprecision GPS approaches, including things like "NDB or GPS RWY
29" or "RNAV (GPS) RWY 17" which you can't do with the KNS-80. The "approved
alternate means of navigation" just means you can't launch IFR without your
VOR operating and checked per 91.171, and you have to pretend the GPS doesn't
exist when doing your flight plan alternate airport decision-making before
flight. It doesn't mean you need extra gear to file or accept GPS-based
routings or approaches, just that you must have a working VOR aboard.
> * Does the KLN89B offer enough increased functionality over the KNS80
> to justify the ongoing expense of the GPS Database Updates?
[Levy] Yes, I think it does. Further, the KLN-94 is a direct slide-in
replacement for the KLN-89B, so when you scrounge together the extra bucks,
you can upgrade to a more modern GPS with a better user interface and nicer
color screen with virtually no installation cost.

Ron
 
aukerinc said:
I knew Struggle was a bad word to use. Mike, you're description is much better. I may take you up on the offer to fix the lock, but the handles are ugly too (corrosion), so I will probably replace them at some point. I wonder if I could clean it all off... Something will have to happen before I repaint the plane, or they will stand out like a sore thumb and seriously bring down the appearance.

Paul, that is an excellent point. I hadn't thought of that. Too bad I can't do everything I would like at once. I guess I'll have to do something about the handle sooner than I thought.

I'm doing my instrument training and I need to put some extra nav equipment in to finish. This has been my priority, but safety does come first. Does anyone know of an inexpensive option for an IFR GPS including annuciator and indicator? I've been thinking of a G430, but the price tag is a little restrictive if you know what I mean. I guess a DME would solve my problem, but then I won't have GPS approach capabilities.

Ben

Ben,

I got a Garmin/Apollo GX50 approach certified GPS installed and certified with a mid-continent indicator/annunciator at Dyersburg Avionics for about $3000. They got the GX50 on trade in when they upgraded someone else to a 430.

I also did a few other upgrade and got it coupled to my autopilot with GPSS steering and I love it. Enter the flight plan and watch it fly.

Steve
 
Definitely something to consider, unfortunately I purchased mine way before that came out.

Does anyone know how often the displays on the GX series go bad?

Steve
 
Garmin intends to keep servicing, and repairing the GX series. It is only when the display stops working that garmin will not have an option for a part to replace it. fortunately they do not go out that often, and there are some units available on the used market. There doesn't appear to be any data on the life of the display.

Rick Spann
 
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